Wednesday, October 7, 2009

Response Requested

I've received several responses to my last post on Libertarians and Conservatives, several by email and a few by comment. Based upon my reading of the responses, there seems to be a blurring of the line between Libertarians and Conservatives, with folks I'd consider conservative calling themselves libertarians. Then I had a Skunks "Toing!" moment and thought, 'I need to get my readers in on this.'

So, I'll ask you guys. First, what do you consider yourself: a Conservative or a Libertarian, or both? And, why do you define yourself one way versus the other?

Let me know in the comments!

Please take the time to comment!

10 People Have Had Their Say:

Anonymous said...

Honestly, I don't know what a libertarian is... I've even read the definition and I'm still confused. Maybe others are too? I take it that Ron Paul is the quintessential Libertarian? They're all like

1. Down with the Federal Reserve!
2. We'd get in where we fit in, if we could fit in... but honestly, we take pleasure in not fitting in and above all things this defines us.
3. We have all these new ideas, lots and lots of new ideas, but the majority considers them impractical. However, we are convinced that they are really simple concepts and they will work. It's not that complicated people. Two words: flat tax!
4. We don't get it as to why the mainstream media, and really the two parties, don't accept us as credible. In fact, they consider us some sort of ideological rebel, and this too is something we glory in... why? Because it makes us unique.
5. We are two seconds away from being political emos, but since the liberals do all the best whining, we are content to intellectualize everything to death.

How far off am I on these points? I see them as very isolated, very conversational, and true blue lovers of the e-revolution. Ron Paul is certainly the tip of the spear.

What am I? I'm a bastard Democrat. My own party has disowned me. Libertarians won't accept me because I'm kind of not egghead enough? Maybe also because I'm a raging alcoholic. I too am isolated, but don't glory in the fact. Can I really call myself a Democrat anymore? No. They've took it too far for me. I don't think I will ever have enough money or financial interest to accept the politics of being a Republican either. The PUMA people are a lot of fun, but a little dated. Does this mean that I am now a blue dog Democrat? Probably not, because I don't like riding the fences like that. It chaffs my political ball sack. I like to be politically commando these days. That way if anybody pants' me. (Think high school gym class where you are left standing in the middle of the basketball court with your jogging pants around your ankles and everybody laughing.) That's what I feel like all these people do to me. They run up behind me, pull my pants down, and point and laugh at my mediocre political manhood. That's why I go commando. Because now it's like, check out my junk. No, I'm not pulling up my political pants. I'm going to stand here and be humiliated until someone pulls my pants up for me. I'll just light a cig, take a swig from the flask, and continue on my path to certain homelessness. I really don't have the energy to beat the windows out of banks or anything like that either. I will, however, cheer them on in my drunkenness. It kind of sounds like this: "Woooooooh!" Kind of a cross between Ric Flair and the guy who always yells for the live band to play Freebird. I've moved on in my obsessions. I like to be a foreign affairs tard now. I will always love the Newt Gingrich V. Clintonite era. Yeah, they just don't make the rivalries like they used to.... See, I lost interest. =)

Anonymous said...

Oh... I forgot about Glenn. Yeah, don't know what I'd call him exactly. Maybe he's a Conspiratorial Conservative? I feel like the black helicopters are watching him during his show. At first I think, well tell us Glenn, what the hell is the New World Order really up to.... Then I think, are you about to blame the Jews on their own network? By own, I mean, the Jews own the news media. They just cater it for the rest to sell that adult diaper ad space. Then, they explain to us why it is imperative that we destroy Iran, but are unwilling to fight their own fucking war there. Sorry Israel, hands are full, maybe Glenn can talk us into that one? Good luck to you. I swear to God, dude on Fox News looked at an Israeli ambassador the other day and asked this question: "What do you want us to do?" It wasn't Glenn, maybe Cavuto or one of those types.

I say it's good for you all to take a little field trip out to Berkley. Try to go to class and notice that everyday as you walk the sidewalks the Israelis and the Palestinian students scream at each other, have culturally bizarre bazarrs in which each attempts to convince you to hate the other. When you ask them what they think of our wars, they never bother to consider it from an American point of view. They begin selling you on the prospect of killing the other. Then ask them, so where do you think you are? They'll only say that they are visiting. If you ask them if they are an American, they'll say: "Ewwwe... fuck no!" It begs the question doesn't it? What are these never ending fighting mother fuckers doing here?

I say we convince them to kill each other. I'm worn out with it. Maybe there's something Glenn can illuminate for us on this point? Or maybe, maybe he's not so in touch with the next generation? I was asked once by these such people if I thought there was any hope for peace in the middle east. I said, FUCK NO! You don't even want that. You want nothing short of the other's extinction. Can you see how it becomes hard to reason with motherfuckers like that? That's how I see Glenn. I don't want to try to figure him out. I want him to go forward with whatever it is he's trying to do, but to leave me out. I want the same with them. Yeah, that makes me a racist doesn't it? Again, pants'ed with my political junk out.

The highlight of the Berkley Bizarre Bazaar includes a celebration in which Jews dance on the mock graves of Palestinians. The Palestinians then begin to show pictures of the wailing wall or the mosque that sits on Mt. Zion (Whatever that place is....) and then the Jews roll around on the ground tearing their hair out exclaiming: "Are you not our God?" in Hebrew.

Now really, is there any hope for this bullshit. Fuck No! Fuck off Jews and Palestinians. You always manage to cause a fight in an otherwise peaceful place. Bringing your fucking problems over here. Goddamn you, WE'VE GOT OUR OWN PROBLEMS! I hate you! I think that means I hate you too Beck. You're about as useless as a Goddamn Jew and a Palestinian in the same room together. I swear to Christ! Watching Beck is like watching a tie up bag full of cats thrown in a lake. The fur flies non stop. It takes a particularly sick mind to want to see that shit more than once. Now imagine that shit, every fucking day, on your way to class. I'm sick to death of it. LOL!

You wanted comments? You got 'em buddy.

paul mitchell on October 8, 2009 at 10:58 AM said...

I do not consider myself either honestly. I guess that you would have to group me with the conservatives though because the weed issue that libertarians promote is simply stupid.

In truth, I am as close to a true anarchist as you can get without going over. A strong military, free-market, Catholic anarchist.

Andy on October 8, 2009 at 12:11 PM said...

CL, there ain't no way I can top Red Horse, nor Paul (Not Ron Paul...Paul Mitchell...if that is his REAL name).

I am a Libertarian. In fact, I might be the only "registered" Libertarian voter that will comment here (there ain't too many of us). I define myself as a Libertarian because I believe in the tenets of the Constitution (which both dems and republicans have utterly destroyed).

I also classify myself as a Conservative. And as a Christian. I proudly state that I believe that Jesus is the Savior of mankind. I believe in the principles of The Bible. Hard work, compassion for the weak, and the prophetic writings of the end times, etc....

I do not agree with EVERY plank in the Libertarian platform. But find me anyone that agrees with EVERYTHING in their party's stated platform, and I'll buy you a steak. Well, really, I'll buy them a steak...they will not be able to eat it, because robots do not eat beef.

Ron Paul is an awful FACE for the Libertarian mindset. Don't get me wrong...he's not wrong on much, but there is not now, and has not been a charismatic face for the movement. Of course, he's a Republican...that's how sad the Libertarian party is.

I have only voted for one Democrat in my 32 years of voting. That was back in '80 (I think) for Congressman Buddy Roemer. He was one of Reagan's "Bowl Weevil" Southern Democrats that helped him pass his agenda in an overwhelmingly Democrat Congress. Buddy later switched to the Republican, he was a Conservative whose party left him.

I am a "pro-life" Libertarian. I do not believe that abortion should be federally criminalized. But I do believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, allowing each State to determine whether or not abortion should be legal. There were abortions before Roe v. Wade, and there will be if it is ever overturned. I just believe that it should be a State issue.

Most all of the Libertarians I know are "pro-life." Even though the official line is fuzzy on that one, I'd bet that MOST Libertarians despise the bloody practice.

I do agree with Libertarians that drugs should be legalized. Hell, there is no more widely used drug than alcohol, which I think is still legal in all 57 States. And I agree with the premise of the thinking...too much prison space, law enforcement effort, murder, prostitution, etc. are attached to the illegality of drugs.

But that's just me. As a Christian, I believe that legislation will never change a man's heart. Yada, yada, yada...I'm sure you've read that position before.

Dang! That was a long comment. Sorry CL...

classicaliberal on October 8, 2009 at 12:21 PM said...

BHR and Andy win the, "Response Longer Than Blog Post" award. Paul get's honorable mention, but was about 3 words short. Try again, Paul!

These responses are all very interesting, I feel another blog post coming on!

paul mitchell on October 8, 2009 at 12:56 PM said...

Three letters: EAD. Figger it out.

Andy on October 8, 2009 at 1:10 PM said...

I got it Paul! I'm not sure CL will figger it out though...

You could have used just two letters instead of three. But you're awfully "wordy."

Anonymous said...

I do have the energy for one more wild and crazy drunken rant, but instead, I'll just say fuck and spit Jack Daniels all over this screen.

Ok, here goes.

Fuck, spit, spit, I like the part about robots not eating beef and states rights when it comes to abortion. Now, where's that bottle? Om nom nom nom. Gulp! All I really want is my bottle. I'm a big baby that way. Am I the poster child for pro abortion? Yeah. They should've aborted me. You guys are fun. =)

classicaliberal on October 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM said...

BHR- I'm not sure whether to point and laugh at your crazy, yet sometimes poignant posts, or to projectile vomit at my screen. I'm really torn here. The good news is, I have a phone number for you to call:


Check it out, and keep us informed on your progress!

ChristinaJade on October 9, 2009 at 5:13 PM said... want me to describe myself?? Yeah, I can't do that. I'll just let you guys do it for me. :)


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